There is a documentary online now and I think broadcast again on Sunday.
Anne McElvoy is from the Economist. she has a longer view than most radio journalists. There is background from previous elections when the Cameron approach worked well. I will listen again and write more later. But a couple of points.
She sticks to the failures of Corbyn story but the show indicates a bit more about Will Straw. Lord Mandelson is not quoted directly but the issues around Corbyn wanting some distance from "Blairism" are well indicated. I am getting the impression of a main Remain campaign run from Downing Street with support from Straw and Mandelson. Alan Johnson is interviewed about his doubts on the Cameron emphasis on economics and "project fear". But he did nothing at the time to argue about it. Straw talks about clearing the media schedule for Labour when the polls went bad. But his complaints about Corbyn lack detail on what space he was allowed. Nothing in this story about Brown or Lord Darling though at the time they got most of the space. There may be more to come on this, however slowly.
It is pointed out that Cameron did not have the backing of Fleet Street as in previous election campaigns. Not much time on this but the role of the press is another thing to come back to. Radio and TV best placed to do this.
Wednesday 24 August 2016
Saturday 13 August 2016
Trying embed code from BBC , should be Lord Mandelson
Here it is
See other posts on my take
during the referendum I thought that Corbyn was not being reported
I still do not know how the Remain campaign was organised. Mostly Cameron and Downing Street. Lord Mandelson was in the official bit. How was it decided who went on which TV show? Corbyn went on Last Leg but channel 4 blocked his use of a clip on YouTube.
more later, just a test.
But could be interesting. Many clips from TV now showing up in ways that can be part of a blog. Will try more if this works.
See also Guardian story from peviously.
See other posts on my take
during the referendum I thought that Corbyn was not being reported
I still do not know how the Remain campaign was organised. Mostly Cameron and Downing Street. Lord Mandelson was in the official bit. How was it decided who went on which TV show? Corbyn went on Last Leg but channel 4 blocked his use of a clip on YouTube.
more later, just a test.
But could be interesting. Many clips from TV now showing up in ways that can be part of a blog. Will try more if this works.
See also Guardian story from peviously.
Book link, more about MacMillan still a possibility
The Guardian has a review by Colin Kidd of a history book - Continental Drift - covering the period since World War 2 . Very interesting, especially about Churchill and focus groups.
although this is only too true I still think MacMillan is worth another look. Why did he decide in favor of application to Europe? What was the problem with existing outside? He is rarely mentioned though, not at all in the referendum as far as I could tell.
A zesty and ingenious Remain campaign – of the sort we conspicuously lacked – might have presented the Europhile Churchill as a patriotic anti-Brexit icon. Alas, a truth that defies popular cliche would have sunk at the first focus group.
although this is only too true I still think MacMillan is worth another look. Why did he decide in favor of application to Europe? What was the problem with existing outside? He is rarely mentioned though, not at all in the referendum as far as I could tell.
Continental Drift: Britain and Europe from the End of Empire to the Rise of Euroscepticism
- Publisher: Cambridge University Press (26 May 2016)
- Language: English
- ISBN-10: 1107071267
- ISBN-13: 978-1107071261
more on this later when I read the book
#nonconspiracy as in #remain and also #corbyn
This is an attempt at some way to explore what may be happening. There is an area that seems to happen but is not reported. Words like "conspiracy" are too vague and there is not enough public info to support them. #nonconspiracy finds quite a lot as a search term but maybe too much. I will also try #remain for the main period of this blog during the referendum. Also #corbyn for the continuing story.
I am still moving some content to the readG blog mostly about the Guardian. They know who they talk to so presumably could report on who is #savingLabour for example. But they choose not to, presumably to maintain a flow of stories. There was no conspiracy to get rid of Corbyn apparently, just a series of coincidences. seems to be some sort of connection with how the #remain campaign turned out.
Apparently Corbyn press relations are improved as part of his own leadership compared with through the Labour Party as in the office that just won a legal case. see Buzzfeed and /or make a guess from what turns up.
This is just speculation but if Lord Mandelson has been considering the "blame Corbyn for lost votes" option for a while, might this have influenced Corbyn's approch to Mandelson's suggestions during campaigns such as the referendum? Will Straw has been included in the Cameron honours so he may have been regarded as close to the Downing Street agenda.
Again, there is no conspiracy as there is little information. Probably there is no need of a conspiracy as in detailed conversations. Understandings exist. The Guardian and the BBC know how to report things.
Anyway this post is to explain possible use of #tags just to try to understand a bit more. It may be that the nonconspiracy around Remain has some similarity to moves around the non coup plot or whatever it was. This is only a blog. Maybe there will be a proper telly prog some time later with full interviews available as an online extra.
I am still moving some content to the readG blog mostly about the Guardian. They know who they talk to so presumably could report on who is #savingLabour for example. But they choose not to, presumably to maintain a flow of stories. There was no conspiracy to get rid of Corbyn apparently, just a series of coincidences. seems to be some sort of connection with how the #remain campaign turned out.
Apparently Corbyn press relations are improved as part of his own leadership compared with through the Labour Party as in the office that just won a legal case. see Buzzfeed and /or make a guess from what turns up.
This is just speculation but if Lord Mandelson has been considering the "blame Corbyn for lost votes" option for a while, might this have influenced Corbyn's approch to Mandelson's suggestions during campaigns such as the referendum? Will Straw has been included in the Cameron honours so he may have been regarded as close to the Downing Street agenda.
Again, there is no conspiracy as there is little information. Probably there is no need of a conspiracy as in detailed conversations. Understandings exist. The Guardian and the BBC know how to report things.
Anyway this post is to explain possible use of #tags just to try to understand a bit more. It may be that the nonconspiracy around Remain has some similarity to moves around the non coup plot or whatever it was. This is only a blog. Maybe there will be a proper telly prog some time later with full interviews available as an online extra.
Tuesday 9 August 2016
Laura Kuenssberg some added details re Corbyn and Labour
I realise an hour is not a long time in television. Some things are missed out in telling the story of a month or two. But I think the Brexit take on BBC from Laura Kuenssberg last night was missing a few crucial facts around Corbyn and Labour.
I have looked back in this blog to remind me of some dates. I think the time the Remain leaders started to worry was around the weekend 11th 12th June. This resulted in a window for LAbour when Cameron events were not scheduled. The Kuenssberg story thern showed Corbyn from the Last Leg. But this was actually broadcast the week before. Guardian headline on the Monday was that Gordon Brown would "lead the charge". So my impression was and is that the publicity support / TV scheduling around Remain was not doing much to boost Corbyn. The Last Leg option was probably direct to Corbyn, not part of an arrangement from Remain, which seems from most of Kuenssberg reporting to have been very close to Cameron.
There is a clip in the BBC take of Lord Darling in shot when Osborne announces the "punishment budget" but no mention of the shared platform in the comments. If there is to be blame for Labour there should be accurate reporting on who was making the case. Later studies may reveal how the decisions were made. The Will Straw organisation came over as based in the City. It is still unclear what was the role of Lord Mandelson, though he stated his regret at how Cameron came to dominate the Remain decisions.
If the BBC know more about this background, they may do some further shows.
It would still be good if Channel 4 allowed Corbyn to use a clip of his complete talk on his own YouTube channel. BBC can use clips to make their case so why not the full context?
The heckle clips seem to have gone. I think the Tweet take that they were planted by Portland Communications and the Lib Dems is probably correct. Not denied by MSM so far.
But for the archive a clear statement from Lord Mandelson is much more reliable. Corbyn to blame for lost votes. Except that some of the facts are still disputed or presented in various ways.
I have looked back in this blog to remind me of some dates. I think the time the Remain leaders started to worry was around the weekend 11th 12th June. This resulted in a window for LAbour when Cameron events were not scheduled. The Kuenssberg story thern showed Corbyn from the Last Leg. But this was actually broadcast the week before. Guardian headline on the Monday was that Gordon Brown would "lead the charge". So my impression was and is that the publicity support / TV scheduling around Remain was not doing much to boost Corbyn. The Last Leg option was probably direct to Corbyn, not part of an arrangement from Remain, which seems from most of Kuenssberg reporting to have been very close to Cameron.
There is a clip in the BBC take of Lord Darling in shot when Osborne announces the "punishment budget" but no mention of the shared platform in the comments. If there is to be blame for Labour there should be accurate reporting on who was making the case. Later studies may reveal how the decisions were made. The Will Straw organisation came over as based in the City. It is still unclear what was the role of Lord Mandelson, though he stated his regret at how Cameron came to dominate the Remain decisions.
If the BBC know more about this background, they may do some further shows.
It would still be good if Channel 4 allowed Corbyn to use a clip of his complete talk on his own YouTube channel. BBC can use clips to make their case so why not the full context?
The heckle clips seem to have gone. I think the Tweet take that they were planted by Portland Communications and the Lib Dems is probably correct. Not denied by MSM so far.
But for the archive a clear statement from Lord Mandelson is much more reliable. Corbyn to blame for lost votes. Except that some of the facts are still disputed or presented in various ways.
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